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and this is weapons

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I was studying the molecular biology of

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acute myeloblastic leukemia in other

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words how how leukemic cells grow and

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they grow out of control and they kill

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people so part of my my study was

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working with this guy

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Ernest McCullough who was actually

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credited with discovering stem cells and

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mice back in the 60s so the Ontario

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Cancer Institute was sort of the place

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in Canada it was kind of the flagship

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place for research in Canada so I had I

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had this guy as a mentor and one of the

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things that he always drummed into me

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was look son if you really want to catch

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a big fish

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Go Fish in places where there's nobody

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else fishing and you know I that whole

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sort of advice stuck with me because I

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could see you know

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um the difference between you know

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science as business as usual versus

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science in in a sort of a much more

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um I guess Paradigm creating way so

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um I I took his advice to heart and um

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you know I was I was working down in

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Denver Colorado in an Immunology

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Research Institute when I saw this I

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opened Science magazine which is kind of

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the the sort of uh Bible yes the Bible

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of of Science and um you know you see

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ads for post-doctoral fellowships and

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virology and you know sort of graduate

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students and sort of biochemistry but in

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the middle of all of these really

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technical ads there was a sort of a

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almost a full-page ad saying we are

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recruiting scientists who were

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interested in researching the origin and

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evolution of Consciousness in the

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universe I mean can you imagine for a

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for a sort of a mainstream biologist

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sort of biochemist looking at this I

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mean the kind of the word the verbiage

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just blew my mind and there was a phone

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number at the bottom uh of of the the

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page so I naturally I was so intrigued I

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called it and um you know I got to talk

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to

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um Robert Bigelow's assistant and then I

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got to talk to Robert Bigelow and then I

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found myself out in Las Vegas Nevada

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um in uh Robert Bigelow's corporate

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office sort of sitting there

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interviewing me and he hired me a couple

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of weeks later and it was like a a total

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uh life-changing sort of change in

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Direction because I moved from

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mainstream science into what could be

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called you know borderline science or

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liminal science or or you know science

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that was not 100 accepted by the

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mainstream so I mean it was that ad in

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Science magazine that I I could I guess

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say change my life it was the one it was

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the uninvestigated is what it was and

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what year because I want to see where

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that where that possibly 1996 yeah

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yeah wow I joined an organization called

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the National Institute for Discovery

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Science and you know the name of the

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National Institute for Discovery Science

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is is worth noting because Discovery is

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the sort of essence of the scientific

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process and that the purpose for for

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nids as it was called for short was to

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actually investigate anomalies and

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investigating anomalies was an inherent

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part of the discovery process in in sort

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of opening up new fields for research so

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I thought the the nomenclature you know

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naming National Institute for Discovery

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Science was a very good move on the part

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of Robert Bigelow